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jallstars
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Joined: 24 Nov 2008
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Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:11 am |
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how about A-D-E-D? should I use A mixo or E mixo?  |
like the chord progression A D E D? |
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TheRagnCajun
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Joined: 17 Jun 2009
Posts: 101
Location: Waterloo, Ontario
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:36 pm |
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| how about A-D-E-D? should I use A mixo or E mixo? |
That's a 1-4-5-4 chord progression in the key of A. Mixo starts on the fith degree, right? So the 5th degree of the key of A is E, you would use an E Mixolodian scale. |
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Yamaha-Joene
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Location: Hengelo, the Netherlands
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:50 pm |
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Okay, i dont know anything about modes, please explain!
I know major and minor scales etc etc, and i know a little bit about those modes, but not exactly how to put it into practise! |
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TheRagnCajun
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Location: Waterloo, Ontario
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:09 pm |
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| Yamaha-Joene wrote: |
Okay, i dont know anything about modes, please explain!
I know major and minor scales etc etc, and i know a little bit about those modes, but not exactly how to put it into practise! |
To put it plainly, the major scale is a scale that has 7 notes in it, plus the octive. number these notes 1 to 7. A Mixolodian scale is just a scale that starts at 5th note and fnishes on the 5th note. So there's a scale for each starting note relative to the key signature, 1 through 7.
If you know the minor scale then you already know the scaale that starts at 6. An F# minor scale has the same notes as an A Major, its just an A major goes 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1 and a F# minor scale goes 6-7-1-2-3-4-5-6.
(Technically I should have wrote 6-7-8-9-10 etc. but its less confusing to think of the octive as 1 when you're learning modes.) |
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Yamaha-Joene
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Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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Location: Hengelo, the Netherlands
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:19 pm |
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But whats the point in learning modes then...
If i'm understanding this right, i'm already using modes, and just not now the right terms to it.
For example, if i'm playing in the key of G, and i want to play a riff that starts on the 5th, which is a D, I'm playing mixolodian? So what? as long as it sounds good right? |
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mixolydian
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Joined: 17 Jul 2009
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Location: Italy
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:55 pm |
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| DeeJay wrote: |
| how about A-D-E-D? should I use A mixo or E mixo? |
you can use E mixolydian and A mixolydian.. cause D-A-E is in the D major scale too.. so the 5th degree of the D major is A
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| For example, if i'm playing in the key of G, and i want to play a riff that starts on the 5th, which is a D, I'm playing mixolodian? So what? as long as it sounds good right? |
yup that's it.. start from 5th and end to 5th is a mixolydian,
but like i said before there are other rules..
you can use D mixolydian on other key.. it depends on how the chord progression go |
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jallstars
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Joined: 24 Nov 2008
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Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:16 pm |
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| Yamaha-Joene wrote: |
But whats the point in learning modes then...
If i'm understanding this right, i'm already using modes, and just not now the right terms to it.
For example, if i'm playing in the key of G, and i want to play a riff that starts on the 5th, which is a D, I'm playing mixolodian? So what? as long as it sounds good right? |
go to the link to the site that I posted here. It's true that ur already playing a mode, but only knowing one mode strains u to only one position. if u know all the modes u can go from the bottom all the way to the top of the neck but still remain in the same key. there are other uses for them as well like the regular major scale in the key of G would be G Ionian. but u could essentially play G dorian, now this may sound strange in some contexts so u have to test it out. what I mean is u have 7 different scales that u can use separtely for different tastes instead of pentatonic or major/minor. also u can use them to move all along the neck from top to bottom in one key whether ur playing in the major key or not. |
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TheRagnCajun
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Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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Location: Waterloo, Ontario
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:42 pm |
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| Yamaha-Joene wrote: |
But whats the point in learning modes then...
If i'm understanding this right, i'm already using modes, and just not now the right terms to it.
For example, if i'm playing in the key of G, and i want to play a riff that starts on the 5th, which is a D, I'm playing mixolodian? So what? as long as it sounds good right? |
The main point is to learn some fingering shapes that start at different intervals. There are full 2 octive scale shapes for each mode. |
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DeeJay
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Joined: 31 Oct 2009
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:37 am |
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Thx bros! for such a help.. thank you. God bless you! |
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purge0809
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Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Posts: 184
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:19 pm |
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| Yamaha-Joene wrote: |
Okay, i dont know anything about modes, please explain!
I know major and minor scales etc etc, and i know a little bit about those modes, but not exactly how to put it into practise! |
haha, me too...
i'm having a hard time memorizing the patterns... =) |
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Oval
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Joined: 02 Sep 2008
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Location: Hungary
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:25 pm |
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1. Major (Ionian)
2. Dorian
3. Phrygian
4. Lydian
5. Mixolydian
6. (Natural) Minor (Aeolian)
7. Locrian
I think these are the modes.
I have a question: are there chord families in the key of e.g. G-Myxolidian?
It would be G Dm C (I IV V progression)
Similar to Casting Crowns' Every Man.
Or Tear Down the Walls:
Dm Am C G
I think it's in D-Dorian |
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TheRagnCajun
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Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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Location: Waterloo, Ontario
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:41 pm |
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1. Major (Ionian)
2. Dorian
3. Phrygian
4. Lydian
5. Mixolydian
6. (Natural) Minor (Aeolian)
7. Locrian
I think these are the modes.
I have a question: are there chord families in the key of e.g. G-Myxolidian?
It would be G Dm C (I IV V progression)
Similar to Casting Crowns' Every Man.
Or Tear Down the Walls:
Dm Am C G
I think it's in D-Dorian |
G Mixo has the exact same chord family as C major. The key of Cmajor and G Mixo are the same. No flats, no sharps. G mixo is just another frame of reference. You say its a I-IV-V progression in the key of G mixo, but you can also say its a V-II-I progression in the key of Cmajor.
The only two modes I generally see referred to in the context of progressions and key signatures are the Major and Minor. |
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Oval
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:43 pm |
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There is difference between them:
G mixo ends on Gmajor, so that should be the tonic.
It should be G Dm C G (sorry I omitted G previously, but that would be the end.)
I read something, that they were used at church music in the middle ages (gregorian probably). After Bach, the major and the minor became the main keys. But I'm sure there are artists, who try to make music with them. |
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TheRagnCajun
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:40 pm |
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| Oval wrote: |
There is difference between them:
G mixo ends on Gmajor, so that should be the tonic.
It should be G Dm C G (sorry I omitted G previously, but that would be the end.)
I read something, that they were used at church music in the middle ages (gregorian probably). After Bach, the major and the minor became the main keys. But I'm sure there are artists, who try to make music with them. |
Yes G would be the tonic. And a progression that starts and ends on the 5th degree (or G mixo) is deffinately going to have a different feel than one that starts on the 1st degree (C maj)...but they both have the same chord families and notes. |
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purge0809
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:40 pm |
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i find it quite hard to learn modes if you are being self-taught... =) |
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Oval
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:01 am |
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Have you ever heard anything about authentic and plagal modes? (I'm not sure if these are the right terms in English  )
I'm not sure what is the difference.
Authentic scales are the normal modes, and e.g. Major (starting on the 1st and ending on the 1st) or Lydian (starting on the 4th and ending on the 4th).
I don't know, if I'm right, but at plagal scales that the end of the scale is before the first note of the scale. E.g. I just saw a song yesterday, starts and ends on the 6th, it would be minor, but my friend said that it has Dorian feeling. These scales are called Hypo..., so Hypodorian, Hypolydian etc.
Please someone tell if I'm right or not |
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MontegoTele
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Joined: 24 Nov 2008
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:55 pm |
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someone please fix their quote!! |
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